so, look, here's the cia, i mean the nsa chief saying these things, the nsa spying on diplomats at the request of ambassadors. what do you say about that? rick? >> i have to agree. there are a lot of am pabassado around the world that really want to know what's happening from the other side the aisle so to speak. so there's a lot of requests that go back to agency personnel. the sip pell fact is the agency personnel is only responding to the policymakers. the politicians and others feel the pressure from those in the field who want the intelligence and they're the ones who are responding. they don't make the rules. if you want to change the rules, lobby congress or get congress, the congressional oversight committees, to be aggressive. >> the challenge came from james caru rosepep, a former u.s. ambassador to romania during the clinton administration, and he now a democratic state senator in maryland. during this exchange between the two, with general alexander, he was pressing the nsa chief to give a, quote, national security justification for the agency's surveillance for combating t